QUESTION: Mr. President, under the law, how would you justify the practice of renditioning, where U.S. agents who bust terror suspects abroad, taking them to a third country for interrogation? And would you stand for it if foreign agents did that to an American here?
BUSH: That's a hypothetical.
We operate within the law, and we send people to countries where they say they're not going to torture the people.
The New York Times, today:
Now there is growing evidence that the United States has sent terror suspects to Uzbekistan for detention and interrogation, even as Uzbekistan's treatment of its own prisoners continues to earn it admonishments from around the world, including from the State Department.
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Uzbekistan's role as a surrogate jailer for the United States was confirmed by a half-dozen current and former intelligence officials working in Europe, the Middle East and the United States. The C.I.A. declined to comment on the prisoner transfer program, but an intelligence official estimated that the number of terrorism suspects sent by the United States to Tashkent was in the dozens.
Nice to know we don't send people to places where they torture people:
One detainee was severely beaten in front of me and then – in handcuffs and leg-irons – hung out of a third-floor window, head down, and told he was about to be dropped, at which point he lost consciousness. After he came round, he was tortured further with the gas-mask suffocation method and by having his feet placed in an iron bucket in which a fire had been started. He fainted again, and at this point he was taken away.
Two days after I arrived, a detainee from my cell, Shahruh, was taken up to the second floor for one of the regular interrogation sessions. When he came back – carried into the cell by a couple of policemen and dumped on one of the bunks – he was in a terrible state, covered in blood and with all his clothes torn. All his toenails had been ripped out. He was unable to stand, and said he thought his legs were broken from a beating with a metal hammer.
Shahruh explained that interrogators were trying to get him to confess that he murdered an 18-year-old-girl, but he had held out, insisting his innocence.
He screamed all night but was given no medical attention. In the morning, he was taken away on a stretcher and never returned to the cell.
I guess we really didn't mean it when we said this:
Amendment VIII - Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
or this:
Article 1
All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.
Article 5
No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.
Excuse me. I'm going to go throw up.



